Mar 16 2004

Clay Shirky on RELATIONSHIP

Published by Ian Davis at 11:54 pm under Uncategorized and tagged as ,

Clay Shirky has fired a rocket at the relationship vocabulary. Here’s my polite response.

There are a number of themes in Clay’s post. The primary theme appears to be one of completeness: Clay’s thesis is that the vocabulary is incomplete because it doesn’t provide properties to model composite relationships: what if you are employed by a colleague you collaborate with?. Clay seems to be implying that he expects the terms to be exclusive. Of course they’re not. It’s perfectly meaningful to assert that Jane employedBy John and Jane collaboratesWith John. RDF supports this kind of assertion and you can also express it with the HTML method outlined in the vocabulary.

There is a second theme which is an accusation of hubris on the part of Eric and myself. By publishing a polished and updated version of a 15 month old vocabulary we have become as gods, able to control all manner of human expression. Clay suggests that the terms that we left out are somehow verboten. Of course it’s true that you can’t use our relationship vocabulary to say Jane gotArrestedWith John but the semantic web, as with all other forms of human expression is not limited to a prescribed list of verbs and nouns. The relationship vocabulary is no manual of newspeak, more a tiny copy of Johnson’s dictionary. There are many more dictionaries waiting to be written and some of them will allow you to say any or all of the things that Clay suggests he needs.

Maybe there’s a third theme here also: imperfection. The relationship schema is imperfect. Here we agree. The surprise is that Clay expects it to be perfect. On the one hand he says that relationships are messy to model and on the other he derides the vocabulary because it’s messy. Which is it to be?

Obviously I’m pleased that Clay has taken the vocabulary seriously enough to critique in detail. Somehow the thought that everyone would ignore it caused me more concern than the fear that everyone would hate it.

Despite all the obvious thought Clay put into his piece, he still managed to overlook the raison d’etre for the relationship vocabulary. Indeed it’s the raison d’etre for all vocabularies. Without these vocabularies, incomplete and imperfect as they are, we would be mute in the machine readable web, unable to express ourselves in any meaningful way. You only have to look at the etymology to realise that vocabularies give you a voice.

5 responses so far

5 Responses to “Clay Shirky on RELATIONSHIP”

  1. Bill de hÓraon 17 Mar 2004 at 7:30 pm

    Web ontologies: problems, benefits
    Computers are insanely, hair-tearingly, stupid – they have to be told everything in precise detail. Things you don’t normally need to be clear about, ever, have to be written down in exacting detail for a computer. This is done usually…

  2. Your Guess Is As Good As Mineon 18 Mar 2004 at 1:15 am

    It Ain’t Who You Know
    It is the vocabulary that you use to describe how you know someone.

  3. Life With Alacrityon 18 Mar 2004 at 5:06 pm

    Great Social Networking Posts

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  4. Many-to-Manyon 23 Mar 2004 at 3:44 am

    RELATIONSH
    There were two immediate and strong criticisms of my RELATIONSHIP post of last Tuesday. The first, and broader, criticism, by Ian Davis, suggests I’ve misunderstood both the relative newness and the general flexibility of the work — multi-v…

  5. confectiouson 29 Mar 2004 at 9:28 am

    Relatedly yours
    Reflecting on the classic relationship vocabulary flap of just last week, I am shocked, shocked! that no one (that I